Where Were You?

This is a question we ask each other about events that are so horrendous (in our view) that we vow we will never forget, even though we do. 9/11 is one such event. It is one of three such events that have (almost) occurred within my lifetime. It it the only one where I can say exactly where I was. (Not quite true, but close enough.)

The other two events were the assassination of JFK in 1963, and Pearl Harbor Day in 1941. In the case of the JFK assassination, I know approximately where I was, but not exactly. In the case of Pearl Harbor Day, I do know exactly where I was, but I don’t know the location of the womb I was residing in.

We are struck by these events and vow permanent memory, and we assume that they had the same effect on everyone, not realizing how culture-centric they are. But, the events are centered on us and do not have the same significance to other people in the world, just as their horrendous events do not affect us in the same way that they are a affected. You can bet that the people of Hiroshima talked for decades about where they were on August 6. But, they probably don’t spend too much time on where they were on 11/9 (different date format).

On 9/11, I was in England, having arrived there that morning. It was a big deal in England. The government put a Book of Remembrance in every post office so that the citizens could record their feelings. We had many conversations about the events. (We couldn’t hide because my wife grew up in west Texas and sounds like it.) Every conversation, with one exception, had the same two parts. Part A was “Oh, how terrible. We’re with you all the way.” Part B was “We certainly hope that your President doesn’t go and do something stupid on his own.” Part B was not an unreasonable fear given that our President was, and is, known for letting his swagger get in the way of his thinking. The one conversation that was different was with a postal worker from India; it had Parts A and B and also Part C: “Well, you know that terrorist attacks are a daily occurrence in India.” We will remember the 9/11 events for a long time. but, why this event and not others?

Why do some events rise in our consciousness while others not so much? Why the 9/11 bombings, but not the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City–the 20th anniversary of that bombing was in April of this year? Why not the Boston Marathon bombing? It has already started to fade from our consciousness. Do we get exercised about 9/11 because the perps were foreigners, but not about the Murrah Building bomber because he was one of us? Do we not remember the Waco siege 2 years before (the reason for the Murrah Building bombing) because it was done by us?

Why do we get exercised about school shootings, but it doesn’t seem to last? After the Sandy Hook shootings we got really upset, but it lasted less than a month. It lasted exactly until the Congress said officially that they were not going to do anything. It was reported later that there had been 74 school shootings in the 78 weeks after Sandy Hook–that it is a once a week occurrence. That number was challenged, and factcheck.org looked at it carefully. They determined that the number was greatly exaggerated. There were, in fact, only 34 mass shootings at schools in that period. Not one a week. Not quite one every other week. I feel much better now that that has been clarified. Why do we not get excited about this? Maybe it’s because we know in our hearts that we will never, ever have the courage to do anything about it.

Where were you?



A few days ago, Victo Dolore posted a piece titled Quagmire in which she discussed being at a loss in dealing with an obese patient. No approach that she had tried seemed to connect with the patient about the need to lose weight. This communication problem sent her on a quest for other possible approaches that might work, a quest that eventually led to a post on another blog, ACEsTooHigh, titled The Adverse Childhood Experiences Study — the largest, most important public health study you never heard of — began in an obesity clinic. The ACES post reports on work carried out by Dr. Vincent Felitti and Dr. Robert Anda. Dr. Felitti noticed that patients in his obesity clinic would lose 100 pounds or more and then drop out just when they were making real progress, and he wondered why.

Studying 250 of his own patients he uncovered a strong connection between obesity and what have since been called Adverse Childhood Experiences, ACEs. ACEs include events such as abuse and neglect, violence in the home—abuse of mother or siblings, violence in the neighborhood that a child has witnessed, alcoholic of drug-addicted parents, or a parent that has been in jail. And, obesity wasn’t the only problem connected with ACEs. Other adult problems, such as alcohol or drug abuse, depression, criminal activity, and even diseases such as COPD, IBS, and fibromyalgia are much more likely in adults with non-zero ACE scores, and increasingly likely as the ACE score increases. After having some surprising difficulty getting his peers to believe his results, Dr. Felitti, together with Dr. Anda and others, conducted a much larger study involving over 17,000 patients.

The article has some stunning stats in it (you should read it). Perhaps the most surprising to me was the possibility of long delayed effects (decades in some cases) of childhood trauma and of ongoing trauma having the effect of permanent changes in brain structure as a result of toxic changes in brain chemistry. I’m not in any health care field, so I’m sure that I think I know more than I really do, but I found those effects surprising.

I also found stunning the quotation from a rape victim ‘Overweight is overlooked, and that’s the way I need to be.’ According to the article, she had gained over 100 pounds in the year after she was raped, and the weight gain appeared to be a (semi-)conscious protective measure against being raped again.

I was led to read more from the ACEsTooHigh blog and followed some links to other sites. One that was particularly interesting dealt with Trauma-Informed Care (TIC). It was a power-point presentation by Tim Turner from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (view it here) that had a list of what is TIC and what isn’t. My first impression was “that sounds pretty good—what do I have to do to be treated that way?”

So, what about the treatment of adults? Not knowing anything about toxic stress, I went looking for more information on the network–not the best way to search for scientific results, I realize, but a good place to find an overview or pointers to more scientific results. What are the effects of toxic stress on adults, and can what has been learned about treating children be applied to adults. I thought I would find information about how adults are being treated to alleviate the effects of stress, or at least find information on PTSD as a result of stress. Nada. Maybe I gave up too easily or was guilty of Google Incorrectness, but I found only one site, and that was about how to deal with a micromanager. Good stuff, I suppose, but “watch funny movies and get some exercise” wasn’t what I was after.

There doesn’t seem to be much to read, so we’ll have to resort to MSU (making stuff up). Let’s do a little thought experiment. Suppose that we applied the general principals of TIC (which distill down to things such as basic respect, asking what the patient wants, trying to be collaborative instead of authoritarian, involving patients in their care) to residents in nursing homes. Could that do something to lessen or even reverse what seems to be an almost universal revulsion for nursing homes? Could it make them feel less like warehouses or places of incarceration? (The only thing my mother ever said about the way we cared for her was “Don’t put me in a nursing home.” She lived in an Assisted Living Facility at the time, and her experience was that people had a medical event of some kind, were trucked off to the hospital, sent to a nursing home, and never heard of again. To her, a nursing home was a death sentence.) Do your own thought experiment and tell us what you learned.

Let’s try one more thought experiment. What if we had Trauma-Informed Policing? (I know you haven’t looked at that power-point yet. You better go do that before trying this one.) For this experiment, suppose that we have already reversed the current fad of militarizing police departments and gotten that toxic idea out of our systems.

If you have gotten this far, you should go back and read those other posts now. Then report the results of your thought experiments. Happy experimentation.